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∂03-Oct-84 1731 KMP@MIT-MC Nomination for chairman of CL-OBJECT-ORIENTED-PROGRAMMING
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Date: 3 October 1984 20:29-EDT
From: Kent M Pitman <KMP @ MIT-MC>
Subject: Nomination for chairman of CL-OBJECT-ORIENTED-PROGRAMMING
To: RPG @ SU-AI
cc: JAR @ MIT-MC, KMP @ MIT-MC
In-reply-to: Msg of 02 Oct 84 1310 PDT from Dick Gabriel <RPG at SU-AI.ARPA>
Jonathan Rees mentioned he might be willing to chair this list. I think
he should be encouraged to do so. He has experience with message passing
in T and could probably lend an interesting perspective to the discussions.
Since people are leary about accepting the LispM flavors stuff as possibly
too baroque, having a moderator who was not of the LispM school strikes me
as a possible way of slanting the discussions back toward the side of
simplicity.
-kmp
∂03-Oct-84 1733 KMP@MIT-MC Nomination for chairman of CL-MULTIPROCESSING
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Date: 3 October 1984 20:32-EDT
From: Kent M Pitman <KMP @ MIT-MC>
Subject: Nomination for chairman of CL-MULTIPROCESSING
To: RPG @ SU-AI
cc: KMP @ MIT-MC
In-reply-to: Msg of 02 Oct 84 1320 PDT from Dick Gabriel <RPG at SU-AI.ARPA>
I think you should volunteer to chair this list. Your experience
with QLisp probably qualifies you as well as any of us to have
a proper handle on the issues we might begin with.
-kmp
∂03-Oct-84 1737 KMP@MIT-MC Nomination for chairman of CL-ITERATION
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Date: 3 October 1984 20:36-EDT
From: Kent M Pitman <KMP @ MIT-MC>
Subject: Nomination for chairman of CL-ITERATION
To: RPG @ SU-AI
cc: KMP @ MIT-MC, Guy.Steele @ CMU-CS-A
In-reply-to: Msg of 02 Oct 84 1313 PDT from Dick Gabriel <RPG at SU-AI.ARPA>
I think Guy Steele should volunteer to chair this list (if he's on it, which
I hope he is). He has the requisite background in understanding control issues
and is less likely to be partisan than some other people I could imagine
volunteering.
-kmp
∂03-Oct-84 1753 KMP@MIT-MC Breaking radio silence, chairing CL-ERROR-HANDLING
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Date: 3 October 1984 20:24-EDT
From: Kent M Pitman <KMP @ MIT-MC>
Subject: Breaking radio silence, chairing CL-ERROR-HANDLING
To: RPG @ SU-AI
cc: cl-error-handling @ SU-AI
In-reply-to: Msg of 02 Oct 84 1312 PDT from Dick Gabriel <RPG at SU-AI.ARPA>
Date: 02 Oct 84 1312 PDT
From: Dick Gabriel <RPG at SU-AI.ARPA>
... I suggest that people volunteer for chairman ...
I'm willing to chair this list if people are agreeable to that.
-kmp
∂03-Oct-84 1753 KMP@MIT-MC Nomination for Chairman of CL-WINDOWS
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Date: 3 October 1984 20:26-EDT
From: Kent M Pitman <KMP @ MIT-MC>
Subject: Nomination for Chairman of CL-WINDOWS
To: RPG @ SU-AI
cc: KMP @ MIT-MC, Moon @ SCRC-STONY-BROOK
In-reply-to: Msg of 02 Oct 84 1311 PDT from Dick Gabriel <RPG at SU-AI.ARPA>
I think Dave Moon should volunteer to chair this list.
He understands enough about what the LispM window system is and
about what it is not to be able to appropriately lead this
discussion.
-kmp
∂03-Oct-84 1753 KMP@MIT-MC Breaking radio silence, chairing CL-ERROR-HANDLING
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Date: 3 October 1984 20:24-EDT
From: Kent M Pitman <KMP @ MIT-MC>
Subject: Breaking radio silence, chairing CL-ERROR-HANDLING
To: RPG @ SU-AI
cc: cl-error-handling @ SU-AI
In-reply-to: Msg of 02 Oct 84 1312 PDT from Dick Gabriel <RPG at SU-AI.ARPA>
Date: 02 Oct 84 1312 PDT
From: Dick Gabriel <RPG at SU-AI.ARPA>
... I suggest that people volunteer for chairman ...
I'm willing to chair this list if people are agreeable to that.
-kmp
∂04-Oct-84 0537 Moon@SCRC-QUABBIN.ARPA Nomination for Chairman of CL-WINDOWS
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From: "David A. Moon" <Moon@SCRC-RIVERSIDE.ARPA>
Subject: Nomination for Chairman of CL-WINDOWS
To: Kent M Pitman <KMP@MIT-MC.ARPA>
cc: RPG@SU-AI.ARPA
In-Reply-To: The message of 3 Oct 84 20:26-EDT from Kent M Pitman <KMP at MIT-MC>
Message-ID: <841003230604.5.MOON@EUPHRATES.SCRC.Symbolics>
Date: 3 October 1984 20:26-EDT
From: Kent M Pitman <KMP @ MIT-MC>
I think Dave Moon should volunteer to chair this list.
He understands enough about what the LispM window system is and
about what it is not to be able to appropriately lead this
discussion.
I haven't seen the message from RPG that this was in reply to.
There is one(?) problem with this suggestion; I have no interest whatsoever
in the topic. I do not believe that the time is ripe to standardize window
systems, I suspect that no two people in the working group mean the same
thing when they say "window system", and in any case this is not my area
of interest. Sorry.
∂05-Oct-84 1024 brown%bach.DEC@decwrl.ARPA Validation
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From: brown%bach.DEC@decwrl.ARPA (Gary Brown)
To: rpg@su-ai.ARPA
Subject: Validation
I would like to volunteer to chair the Validation sub-group.
-Gary Brown
∂05-Oct-84 2349 WHOLEY@CMU-CS-C.ARPA Chairman
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From: Skef Wholey <Wholey@CMU-CS-C.ARPA>
To: Cl-Validation@SU-AI.ARPA
CC: Dick Gabriel <RPG@SU-AI.ARPA>
Subject: Chairman
I'd be willing to chair this mailing list.
I've been very much involved in most aspects of the implementation of Spice
Lisp, from the microcode to the compiler and other parts of the system, like
the stream system, pretty printer, and Defstruct. A goal of ours is that Spice
Lisp port easily, so most of the system is written in Common Lisp.
Since our code is now being incorporated into many implementations, it's
crucial that it correctly implement Common Lisp. A problem with our code is
that some of it has existed since before the idea of Common Lisp, and we've
spent many man-months tracking the changes to the Common Lisp specification as
the language evolved. I am sure we've got bugs because I'm sure we've missed
"little" changes between editions of the manual.
So, I'm interested first in developing code that will aid implementors in
discovering pieces of the manual they may have accidentally missed, and second
in verifying that implementation X is "true Common Lisp." I expect that the
body of code used for the first purpose will evolve into a real validation
suite as implementors worry about smaller and smaller details.
I've written little validation suites for a few things, and interested parties
can grab those from <Wholey.Slisp> on CMU-CS-C. Here's what I have right now:
Valid-Var.Slisp Checks to see that all variables and constants
in the CLM are there, and satisfy simple tests
about what their values should be.
Valid-Char.Slisp Exercises the functions in the Characters
chapter of the CLM.
Valid-Symbol.Slisp Exercises the functions in the Symbols chapter
of the CLM.
Some of the tests in the files may seem silly, but they've uncovered a few bugs
in both Spice Lisp and the Symbolics CLCP.
I think more programs that check things out a chapter (or section) at a time
would be quite valuable, and I'm willing to devote some time to coordinating
such programs into a coherent library.
--Skef
∂05-Oct-84 2349 WHOLEY@CMU-CS-C.ARPA Chairman
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From: Skef Wholey <Wholey@CMU-CS-C.ARPA>
To: Cl-Validation@SU-AI.ARPA
CC: Dick Gabriel <RPG@SU-AI.ARPA>
Subject: Chairman
I'd be willing to chair this mailing list.
I've been very much involved in most aspects of the implementation of Spice
Lisp, from the microcode to the compiler and other parts of the system, like
the stream system, pretty printer, and Defstruct. A goal of ours is that Spice
Lisp port easily, so most of the system is written in Common Lisp.
Since our code is now being incorporated into many implementations, it's
crucial that it correctly implement Common Lisp. A problem with our code is
that some of it has existed since before the idea of Common Lisp, and we've
spent many man-months tracking the changes to the Common Lisp specification as
the language evolved. I am sure we've got bugs because I'm sure we've missed
"little" changes between editions of the manual.
So, I'm interested first in developing code that will aid implementors in
discovering pieces of the manual they may have accidentally missed, and second
in verifying that implementation X is "true Common Lisp." I expect that the
body of code used for the first purpose will evolve into a real validation
suite as implementors worry about smaller and smaller details.
I've written little validation suites for a few things, and interested parties
can grab those from <Wholey.Slisp> on CMU-CS-C. Here's what I have right now:
Valid-Var.Slisp Checks to see that all variables and constants
in the CLM are there, and satisfy simple tests
about what their values should be.
Valid-Char.Slisp Exercises the functions in the Characters
chapter of the CLM.
Valid-Symbol.Slisp Exercises the functions in the Symbols chapter
of the CLM.
Some of the tests in the files may seem silly, but they've uncovered a few bugs
in both Spice Lisp and the Symbolics CLCP.
I think more programs that check things out a chapter (or section) at a time
would be quite valuable, and I'm willing to devote some time to coordinating
such programs into a coherent library.
--Skef
∂12-Oct-84 1106 WALDRUM%ti-csl.csnet@csnet-relay.arpa Re: Chairman
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From: Ellen <WALDRUM%ti-csl.csnet@csnet-relay.arpa>
Subject: Re: Chairman
To: RPG%su-ai.arpa@csnet-relay.arpa
cc: WALDRUM%ti-csl.csnet@csnet-relay.arpa
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I will volunteer to be chairman of the validation subcommittee. We have
ongoing work in Texas Instruments to develop a validation suite for
Common Lisp and are very anxious to expedite this effort.
-- Ellen Waldrum
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∂14-Oct-84 2347 DDYER@USC-ISIB.ARPA Re: Chairman
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Subject: Re: Chairman
From: Dave Dyer <DDYER@USC-ISIB.ARPA>
To: Dick Gabriel <RPG@SU-AI.ARPA>
cc: hic@SCRC-STONY-BROOK.ARPA, ddyer@SCRC-STONY-BROOK.ARPA
In-Reply-To: (Message from "Dick Gabriel <RPG@SU-AI.ARPA>" of 13 Oct 84 1440 PDT)
If Howard declines, and no other likely candidates volunteers, I
will chair "Windows". Note that despite my mailing address, I am
a Symbolics employee. In fact, I work for Howard.
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∂15-Oct-84 0546 @MIT-MC:rhh@MIT-VAX Re: Chairman
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From: Bert Halstead <rhh@mit-vax>
To: RPG@SU-AI.ARPA
Subject: Re: Chairman
Go for it! (Congratulations?) -rhh
∂13-Oct-84 1521 FAHLMAN@CMU-CS-C.ARPA subsets
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From: "Scott E. Fahlman" <Fahlman@CMU-CS-C.ARPA>
To: rpg@SU-AI.ARPA
Subject: subsets
I thought Griss volunteered to chair the subsets group.
-- Scott
∂13-Oct-84 1626 RAM@CMU-CS-C.ARPA Chairman
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From: Rob MacLachlan <RAM@CMU-CS-C.ARPA>
To: Dick Gabriel <RPG@SU-AI.ARPA>
Cc: cl-foreign-function-call@SU-AI.ARPA
Subject: Chairman
In-reply-to: Msg of 13 Oct 1984 17:46-EDT from Dick Gabriel <RPG at SU-AI.ARPA>
I believe Joe Ginder (jrg@cmu-cs-spice) volunteered to chair the
foreign function call subgroup. I am repeating his notification, and
since he is out of town, he will be unable to retract it.
So far as activity goes, we here at CMU have a very hairy
mechanism which Spice Lisp uses to communicate with the outside world.
It is in fact a remote procedure call mechanism rather than a function
call mechanism, since in Spice, nearly everything is done by sending
messages to the kernel or various server processes. In the Spice
context, "foreign function call" is meaningless, since code for
another language cannot run in a Lisp process.
There are basically two levels in the system:
1] Matchmaker turns a language-independant definitions file into code
in the target language. A definition file, which has a
pascal-like syntax, contains both definitions of calls and
definitions of any types or constants related to the calls.
See [cmu-cs-c]prva:<slisp.docs>mm.press, mm.doc, mm.mss.
2] Aliens are a new type added to Lisp, with substantial support in
the compiler. The code generated by matchmaker is defined in
terms of Aliens. Aliens are used to get a fairly abstract way to
efficiently manipulate unboxed objects.
See [cmu-cs-c]prva:<slisp.docs>nalien.press, nalien.mss.
Of these two things, Aliens are probably more interesting to other
implementations. Aliens are not very useful by themselves however.
They really need something to take a concise description and expand it
into alien definitions.
I'm really not sure what this group is supposed to accomplish, and
thus am unsure how relevant our experience is to the group's goals.
Are we really supposed to come up with a standard mechanism suitable
for the white pages? It seems to me that the very meaning of foreign
function call is so implementation dependant as to make this hopeless.
Does anyone else out there have any opinions about this sort of thing?
Rob
∂13-Oct-84 1733 KESSLER@UTAH-20.ARPA Re: Chairman
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From: Robert R. Kessler <KESSLER@UTAH-20.ARPA>
Subject: Re: Chairman
To: RPG@SU-AI.ARPA
In-Reply-To: Message from "Dick Gabriel <RPG@SU-AI.ARPA>" of Sat 13 Oct 84 14:47:00-MDT
Martin volunteered, so I will nominate him if that is what it takes.
Bob.
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∂13-Oct-84 1740 FAHLMAN@CMU-CS-C.ARPA Chairman
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From: "Scott E. Fahlman" <Fahlman@CMU-CS-C.ARPA>
To: rpg@SU-AI.ARPA
Subject: Chairman
I am interested in the political future of this effort and would be
happy to serve as the chairman of the Charter subcommittee. I am
currently acting as chairman of the interim executive committee (a.k.a.
the Gang of Five), so I would be glad to step aside if some other
well-qualified candidate steps forward for this. (By "well qualified",
I mean well-connected to the ARPANET and interested enough to be active
in this role.) But if nobody else wants this post, I'll do it, since this
particular problem HAS to be solved successfully.
-- Scott
∂13-Oct-84 2040 larus%ucbdali@Berkeley Re: Chairman
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To: Dick Gabriel <RPG@SU-AI.ARPA>
Subject: Re: Chairman
Cc:
Fcc: blind
In-Reply-To: Your msg of 13 Oct 84 1442 PDT
Ken Pitman is find with me.
/Jim
∂13-Oct-84 2249 larus%ucbdali@Berkeley Re: Chairman
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In-Reply-To: Your msg of 13 Oct 84 1452 PDT
You are fine with me.
/Jim
∂14-Oct-84 0740 WHOLEY@CMU-CS-C.ARPA Chairman of the Subsets subgroup
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Subject: Chairman of the Subsets subgroup
In-reply-to: Msg of 13 Oct 1984 17:47-EDT from Dick Gabriel <RPG at SU-AI.ARPA>
I thought Griss had already volunteered for this one. Also, some of us here
have noticed that some messages we've sent to Common-Lisp@SU-AI haven't gotten
back to us. Could there be some mailer lossage at work?
No, I'm not interested in chairing this one...
--Skef
∂14-Oct-84 0745 GRISS%hp-hulk.csnet@csnet-relay.arpa Re: Gentlemen
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Thats curious. I certainly volunteered. Did my position note not
come through? I got one response.
M
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∂14-Oct-84 0745 GRISS%hp-hulk.csnet@csnet-relay.arpa Chmn for Cl-subsets
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I know I volunteered, and added a little blurb about my model of
subsets. I think I got one response, commenting on a T emulator on
CL, rather than a subset.
Did you see this notice. Could you check the archive (Cant check from
Csnet. Maybe I can revive my SU-AI guest acct?)
M
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∂15-Oct-84 1418 WVANROGGEN@DEC-MARLBORO.ARPA Re: Chairman
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From: "Walter van Roggen" <WVANROGGEN@DEC-MARLBORO.ARPA>
Subject: Re: Chairman
To: RAM@CMU-CS-C.ARPA
cc: RPG@SU-AI.ARPA, cl-foreign-function-call@SU-AI.ARPA,
WVANROGGEN@DEC-MARLBORO.ARPA
In-Reply-To: Message from "Rob MacLachlan <RAM@CMU-CS-C.ARPA>" of Sat 13 Oct 84 19:31:35-EDT
I believe we should examine all the relevant alternatives and make
recommendations consistent with every implementation's constraints.
Now that may not mean much--we might recommend that there is no
syntax and semantics which reasonably represents what most users
would want on different implementations.
But I think that users of our respective systems do actually have
fairly similar requirements, even though the PERQ has a completely
different underlying view of the world than the VAX. People do
have lots of pre-written code in various languages, and it would
be desirable to have whole systems be portable (not just lisp code).
A foreign-function call specification should try to hide all the
details that it can. What we need to discuss is what kinds of
data can be passed, how to handle different parameter passing
conventions, and the like.
A useful start on this would be discussing alien-structures. The
PERQ and the Vax probably already have some agreement here. (I
haven't read your latest document.)
---Walter
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∂18-Oct-84 0312 RWK@SCRC-STONY-BROOK.ARPA Chairman
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From: "Robert W. Kerns" <RWK@SCRC-STONY-BROOK.ARPA>
Subject: Chairman
To: Dick Gabriel <RPG@SU-AI.ARPA>
In-Reply-To: The message of 13 Oct 84 17:51-EDT from Dick Gabriel <RPG at SU-AI>
Supersedes: <841018054421.3.RWK@HUDSON.SCRC.Symbolics>
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Date: 13 Oct 84 1451 PDT
From: Dick Gabriel <RPG@SU-AI.ARPA>
Gary Brown of DEC, Ellen Waldrum of TI, and Skef Wholey of CMU
have volunteered to be chairman of the Validation subgroup. Perhaps
these three people could decide amongst themselves who should be
chairman and let me know by October 24.
-rpg-
Alas! I guess you forgot that I volunteered AT THE CONFERENCE IN MONTEREY!
Then your introductory message requested that we wait until other
participants had a chance to be added before working on picking
out a chairmain, so I refrained from sending out a message volunteering
at that time.
Also, none of those three appear on the list of participants you sent
out initially! (Since the last paragraph of THAT message refers to
Loops, I suspect it was really the list for the ITERATION group).
Oh well, thanks for your work in setting up the list, anyway, despite
the glitches. But could you send out corrections for these glitches,
please? I wonder if the three other volunteers know how to contact
each other. I don't know how to contact some of them. Thanks.
I'm working on setting up our in-house CL testing program here at Symbolics.
I think we're in a better position than most to make some solid contributions
to this, so I'll volunteer to help however I'm needed.
∂18-Oct-84 0536 brown@DEC-HUDSON Validation Committee
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Subject: Validation Committee
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Skef,
How do we resolve chairmanship of the validation committee?
Unless anyone doesn't want to do it, I suggest we let Gabriel flip
a coin and let us know what comes up.
(I haven't sent this to Ellen Waldrum since I don't know her address,
I think Dick's Introduction mailing for the validation group listed
the members of some other group.)
-Gary
∂18-Oct-84 0831 WHOLEY@CMU-CS-C.ARPA Validation Committee
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A coin flip would be fine with me. I think it's important that the chair of
this thing have good net access, so if Ellen Waldrum isn't on the net now,
perhaps she shouldn't be considered.
--Skef
∂18-Oct-84 0951 @SRI-KL.ARPA:Kahn.pa@Xerox.ARPA Objects in Common Lisp
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Jonl.pa@XEROX.ARPA
Hi. Mark Stefik and Danny Bobrow asked me yesterday if I would be
interested in the possibility of chairing a committee to decide what to
do about object-oriented programming in Common Lisp. I am interested
and willing.
Briefly my background in Lisp and objects is the following.
MIT Project MAC and AI Lab 1973- 1979
Much of that time I worked with Carl Hewitt on actors. I implemented
(in MacLisp) an object-oriented language called Director which was
especially well-suited for animation. This language was used a bit at
MIT and Rand Corp. My ph.d. thesis program was built upon Director.
University of Stockholm and University of Uppsala 1980 - 1984
I implemented a toy object-oriented language called Intermission in
Prolog.
I worked on object-oriented unification. I built LM-Prolog on ZetaLisp
which is a commercially available Prolog interpreter and compiler.
LM-Prolog's unifier handles Flavor instances. Various control
extensions in LM-Prolog are built upon Flavors.
Xerox PARC. I became a member of the research staff here in August
1984. I have been actively involved in using and maintaining Loops and
working closely with Mark Stefik and Danny Bobrow.
Mark and Danny thought I may be a good choice for chairing this
committee since most of my experience is with MacLisp and ZetaLisp
(including Flavors) and I have not been here at PARC long enough to
feel a commitment to the Loops and InterLisp way of doing things.
On the negative side, I have not been following very closely the Common
Lisp activities and would clearly have to be brought up to speed on
that.
∂18-Oct-84 1613 JonL.pa@Xerox.ARPA [Kahn.pa: Objects in Common Lisp]
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I'd like to nominate Ken Kahn for the position of Chairman of the
Object-oriented. I've known Ken for over ten years and feel that his
experience in this area is impeccable.
-- JonL --
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Date: 18 Oct 84 09:50 PDT
From: Kahn.pa
Subject: Objects in Common Lisp
To: Gabriel@sri-kl
cc: Kahn.pa, Stefik.pa, Bobrow.pa, Jonl.pa
Hi. Mark Stefik and Danny Bobrow asked me yesterday if I would be
interested in the possibility of chairing a committee to decide what to
do about object-oriented programming in Common Lisp. I am interested
and willing.
Briefly my background in Lisp and objects is the following.
MIT Project MAC and AI Lab 1973- 1979
Much of that time I worked with Carl Hewitt on actors. I implemented
(in MacLisp) an object-oriented language called Director which was
especially well-suited for animation. This language was used a bit at
MIT and Rand Corp. My ph.d. thesis program was built upon Director.
University of Stockholm and University of Uppsala 1980 - 1984
I implemented a toy object-oriented language called Intermission in
Prolog.
I worked on object-oriented unification. I built LM-Prolog on ZetaLisp
which is a commercially available Prolog interpreter and compiler.
LM-Prolog's unifier handles Flavor instances. Various control
extensions in LM-Prolog are built upon Flavors.
Xerox PARC. I became a member of the research staff here in August
1984. I have been actively involved in using and maintaining Loops and
working closely with Mark Stefik and Danny Bobrow.
Mark and Danny thought I may be a good choice for chairing this
committee since most of my experience is with MacLisp and ZetaLisp
(including Flavors) and I have not been here at PARC long enough to
feel a commitment to the Loops and InterLisp way of doing things.
On the negative side, I have not been following very closely the Common
Lisp activities and would clearly have to be brought up to speed on
that.
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∂19-Oct-84 0029 WWHITE@SRI-KL.ARPA Re: Chairman
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From: Bill <WWHITE@SRI-KL.ARPA>
Subject: Re: Chairman
To: RPG@SU-AI.ARPA
cc: WWHITE@SRI-KL.ARPA
In-Reply-To: Message from "Dick Gabriel <RPG@SU-AI.ARPA>" of Sat 13 Oct 84 14:47:00-PDT
If you don't get any other volunteers, I guess I can act as chairman to
help get things rolling. I'd also nominate Martin Griss if he's willing
to do it.
Bill White
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∂24-Oct-84 0154 DDYER@USC-ISIB.ARPA HIC
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To: rpg@SU-AI.ARPA
Howard realized when he got my CC that he hasn't read any
arpanet mail in >6 months. Probably stacking up at MC somewhere.
I think you can consider his nomination "declined" and I'll
take the job unless some other has put himself up.
Howard asks that you redirect his mail to HIC@SCRC -- He's
interested in following the discussion on objects, windows, and
graphics.
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∂25-Oct-84 0944 FILE-SERVER%WHITE.SWW.Symbolics@SCRC-RIVERSIDE.ARPA Chairman
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From: Dick Gabriel <RPG@SU-AI.ARPA>
Subject: Chairman
To: cl-windows@SU-AI.ARPA
No one has been nominated as chairman of the Windows subgroup. I
suggest Howard Cannon of Symbolics. If he is willing, and no one else
volunteers, he will become chairman. Please respond by October 24. At the
end of this month I want to see some ideas and proposals coming in on this
mailing list.
-rpg-
Ah, I see I received this message. I was worried that this mail wasn't
getting through, or was stuck at MC, or...
In any case, I respectfully decline the offer, not because I don't want
to do it but because of extensive traveling I don't feel I could be
reliable enough. I do hope to participate actively, though.
I suggest that DDYER would do a fine job as chairman.
--Howard